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I have refused to use Nvidia products for years even on any Windows machines; because of their policy towards Linux. Wish more people who cared about Linux would vote with their wallets.

What gets me about Linus' response though is that he's constantly labeling free software advocates as "religious" nuts. Nvidia's stance seems consistent with a certain pragmatism that I'd have thought he was fine with. He's had no aversion to using closed source proprietary software when it suited his purposes (eg. Bitkeeper) But now he's upset that Nvidia don't want to play ball?

Having said that it's nice to see him make such a strong statement that I wholeheartedly agree with, just wish it hadn't been so long in coming.



I think open sourcing drivers makes pragmatic sense to the Linux community more than it does with Bitkeeper. Without open source drivers, how can the Linux community make Nvidia's drivers a better citizen of their ecosystem?


Some more thoughts along the same lines -

Linus probably doesn't care if Nvidia wants to keep their GPU _accelerated_ drivers closed for desktop machines.

Nvidia Optimus is what Linus is talking about. It switches between an Intel GMA and an Nvidia GPU "transparently" for power saving reasons. Nvidia gave the whole Linux community the shaft and didn't provide any Linux support at all for those laptops and notebooks.

Laptop and notebook designers generally end up with designs that only work when power saving works correctly, and the failure mode isn't "runs slower," it's "catches fire and destroy things." So the lack of any help from Nvidia is not something that can be ignored - your laptop will be worse than useless if you put Linux on it.

This is why (my guess) Linus is so upset.


That is why I sympathize with Linus here. I'm also very upset with nVidia over Optimus, but on Windows, for reasons I've mentioned in other comments. Optimus really just seems like an afterthought to nVidia. As long as it switches GPUs when the PC goes into energy-conserving mode, they think it's working just fine.


So true.

That's a typical hardware company's response - deliver only half-baked functionality and leave the debugging to platform integrators. Nvidia reaps the marketing bonus points. Laptop companies have to put in the time to actually get the power savings.

Still, I don't think many people were aware that Linux wasn't (ever * ) going to work on Optimus laptops and notebooks - and Linus' comments have helped raise awareness of the issue.

* Until Linus and Nvidia make up.


I'm done with nVidia products, not because of their Linux support, but because of their lack of support of Optimus on ANY platform. Until I can use Optimus in an optimal way, with PhysX and 3D Vision working properly and more games running at max settings, instead of the crippled version they ship, I'm done with nVidia.

Optimus causes headaches to many more people than just the Linux community.




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